Episode 2604 of The Tom Woods Show released on February 8, 2025, entitled, “Is the U.S. Headed for Breakup (in the Long Run)?” interviewed Ryan McMaken, Senior Editor of The Mises Institute. The main topic was the breakup of the United States in the long run, also called secession.One type of secession active in 2025 is when one or more rural counties seek to secede from the current state to join a neighboring state. Many residents of the seceding rural county are not in agreement with many current state public policies, governing, and taxation and desire to be governed by more sane public policies in a nearby state. This secession movement could be called state to state. Many rural counties have lower populations compared to the urban counties.The nationalist secession movement is defined
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